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February 20, 2005

Democratic Peace Q&A
Version 2.0


This is a comprehensive Q&A and FAQ responding to the many questions I have received on this website since I set it up in 2000. I am indebted to those who took that time to contact me with their questions, and thank them here. I also wish to thank Harries-Clichy Peterson, Jr. for taking the time out of a heavy schedule to do a thorough review and editing.

Q&A Topics



DEMOCRACY: Democracy, Freedom , Alternative Types of Governments , Stability , Specific Governments , Nondemocracies

ON WAR

THE DEMOCRATIC PEACE: No War Between Democracies , Possible Exceptions , Foreign Violence

DEMOCRACY AND INTERNAL VIOLENCE

DEMOCIDE: Definition and Use , And Genocide , Statistics , Foreign Democide , Criticisms , Specific Democides -- Regimes CAUSES AND CONDITIONS OF DEMOCIDE: Freedom as a Solution , Race, Religion, or Culture , Other

DEMOCRACY AND DEMOCIDE: Democracy in General , Liberal Democracies , Power , Possible Exceptions

DEMOCRACY AND FAMINES: Evidence , Criticism , And India

MISC.

DEMOCRACY AND NONVIOLENCE

THEORY AND PHILOSOPHY: Why Theory? , And Democratic Peace , And Statistics , The Conflict Helix , Philosophy

METHODS/RESEARCH PHILOSOPHY: Regarding Quantitative Methods/Statistics , Regarding Estimates of Democide , Regarding Research

POLICY (WHAT TO DO?): Fostering Democracy , Maintaining Democratic Stability , Preventing War and/or Democide , On an Alliance of Democracies

MORAL/ETHICAL QUESTIONS

PERSONAL


wedge DEMOCRACY
wedge Democracy
wedge Q: How do your define a democracy?
* A: One necessary and sufficient set of characteristics involves the electoral system through which people choose their representatives and leaders, and thus give their consent to be governed and communicate their interests. They comprise regular elections for high office, a secret ballot, a franchise including nearly the whole adult population, and competitive elections. Real competition in the elections is a key requirement. A government with these characteristics is called an electoral democracy. If the government also recognizes freedom or religion, speech, transparency (in particularly knowing how one's representatives voted and debated), and the right to organize around special interests (even political groups representing a small radical minority), then it is called a liberal democracy. I elaborate on these characteristics in Chapter 3 of my book, Saving Lives (link here). My references to democracy in this Q&A are to both kinds, unless otherwise noted. Note that the “standard” definition of democracy in political science is: a political system characterized by mass participation and contested elections, and the protection of rights by laws. My definition of democracy is congruent with this “standard” definition.
wedge Q: You often conceptually oppose democracy against totalitarianism. What is that?
* A: I define a totalitarian state as one with a system of government that:
* -is unlimited constitutionally or by countervailing social or economics powers (such as by a church, rural gentry, labor unions, big businesses, or regional powers);
* -- is not held responsible to the public by periodic secret and competitive elections;
* -- and employs its unlimited power to control all aspects of society, including the family, religion, education, business, private property, and social relationships.
* Under Stalin, the Soviet Union was thus totalitarian, as was Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Hitler's Germany, and U Ne Win's Burma. Presently, North Korea is a prime example. Totalitarianism is an ideology for which a totalitarian government is the agency for realizing its ends. Thus, totalitarianism characterizes such ideologies as state socialism (as in Burma), Marxism-Leninism as in the former Soviet Union, and Nazism (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei -- National Socialist German Workers' Party; although racist and nationalist doctrines dominated, economically all become subverted to the party, as under communism; as Hitler said: "We are socialists"), and Italian fascism. Other versions dot the modern world, such as the socialist Baathist Party that ruled Iraq under Hussein and still rules Syria. Not all totalitarianism is socialist. Theological totalitarianism, for example, characterized the Taliban, does so for revolutionary Islamic Iran since the overthrow of the Shah in 1978-79 and Saudi Arabia. Here totalitarianism is married to Islamic fundamentalism. In short, totalitarianism is the ideology of absolute power.
wedge Q: When you say, "democracy," do you mean a republican form of government? In other words a representative type of democracy. Our Founders were against pure democracies and characterized them as mob rule. They felt that democracy, pure and simple, is a dictatorship of the majority. 51% beats 49% every time. The minority only has privileges granted to it by a condescending majority.
* A: This is an 17th-18th century understanding, when democracy was much feared by classical liberals. Both the terms liberal and democracy have undergone a change in definition since then. Liberal no longer means what it did then; now it is what we call a conservative or libertarian (depending on which 18th Century liberal one reads). And democracy that was then limited to the meaning you use, has now evolved to mean both parliamentary (the closest to traditional democratic institutions) and republic. In present political science writing, democracy means any government, whether a parliamentary democracy, majority rule democracy, or a republic, that has open, fair, and periodic elections for the highest offices, near universal franchise, and secret ballot. A liberal democracy would be one with not only such elections, but also civil rights, like freedom of religion and speech. What can be said about violence and democratic freedom applies to all forms of democracy, and best to liberal democracy.
wedge Q: Democracy, whether in ancient Greece or 21st century America, is nothing other than an historically necessary mediation between two parties vying for freedom. How can you then say it is an indicator of freedom?
* A: I do not say that democracy is an indicator of freedom? It is a system of governance through which (if one is talking about liberal democracy) civil and political rights are guaranteed.
wedge Q: Why, if the United States is a democracy, have we had ties to tyrannies such as Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, and Chile. Does this mean the U.S. is not a democracy?
* A: Hardly. Such ties were a function of the Cold War. American foreign policy was focused on containing the Soviet Union and communism. As part of this attempt to prevent the spread of communism, the U.S. allied itself with many unsavory anticommunist regimes. There has been much criticism of this, but strangely, there has been no similar criticism of the American alliance with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Yet, of all regimes, Stalin's was worse than any military or authoritarian regime we supported after the war, and on par with Hitler's. Why the unhappiness with our support of, say, Chile (after the coup) during the Cold War, and not of the Soviet Union in World War II?
wedge Q: How can you be so positive about democracy when the U.S. is the most hard line democracy of all nations, and has waged so many wars on innocent women and children.
* A: American wars have not been waged on women and children. As in Iraq and Afghanistan, the wars were fought against bloody dictators to free the people of these countries and promote democracy in them. It was the Taliban and Hussein that waged war on their own women and children. So far as we have been able to determine, Hussein murdered about 800,000 of his people. Just recently, a new burial site was uncovered in Iraq in which 400 women and children were found with bullets in the back of their head.
wedge Q: Are not there only a small number of democracies? Are there not even fewer liberal democracies like the United States, almost all being in Western Europe? In fact, is not your characterization of democracy too Western, hardly fit for nations in Asia, South America, and Africa?
* A: The answer is no to each of these questions. Out of 192 nations in 2004, 119 were democratic – 62 percent of the world’s countries. This number of democracies is a sharp increase from the sixty-nine that existed in 1985, and well shows that the world is becoming increasingly democratic. Democracy is now the world's dominant form of government, and with the death of fascism through World War II, and of communism with the end of the Cold War, democracy has no real competitors for hearts and minds. Were you born today, the odds of you being born in a democracy are greater than 50 percent. Democracies are now spread all over the world, and manifest different cultures, different religions, different languages, and different levels of economic development.
* Q: Some seem to treat democracy as a religion. Don’t those that do unwittingly fall into the trap of promulgating a type of secular messianic view without even knowing it? Isn’t this a great danger . . . the same that we see with what happened to Marxism (The Soviet Union, China, etc.)?
* A: I understand this and the danger is real. However, rather than making democracy a matter of faith and gut belief, it can be made a moral and utilitarian choice. That is, democracy is consistent with the core of human rights -- freedom -- that is now enshrined in international law and international conventions, is an engine of human welfare and development, and is a solution to war, democide, and famine. I wrote a book on this, Saving Lives . . . ., which is on my website at: www.hawaii.edu—WF.COVER.HTM
wedge Freedom
wedge Q: How do you define freedom?
* A: In short, freedom is civil rights and political liberties -- the freedom to pick your leaders, to chose your religion, to speak out, to organize, and to freely buy and sell in the market; and freedom from fear. It is liberal democracy.
wedge Q: What color is freedom to you? Why?
* A: White. This is the mixture of all colors, as freedom is the mixture of different beliefs, faiths, and political parties. Its flag would have the primary colors at the edges, all merging with each other and toward a central white circle.
wedge Q: Limited-Government is an outright contradiction of concepts. Haven’t both logic and history already clearly demonstrated that government cannot be limited?
* A: Well, now, compared to the recent totalitarian states like Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s China, and today’s North Korea and Saudi Arabia, I have to say that the American and European governments, among other democracies, have remained severely limited. It is important to look at democracy not just as an isolated phenomenon, but comparatively as well.
wedge Q: Does national freedom always grow stronger, or does it suffer when free countries fight ones that are more repressive?
* A: War, even by the democracies, centralizes power. If it’s a near total war, as were World Wars I and II, it creates a garrison state to fight the war. Afterwards, the victorious garrison state is only partially dismantled when people believe that because a highly centralized and organized government could win a war, it also could organize to fight drugs, poverty, racism. . . you name it.
wedge Alternative Types of Governments
wedge Q: Some people favor constitutional authoritarianism in place of democracy, which they define as the protection of individual rights of speech, property, and religion through a system of law not subject to arbitrary government manipulation. Your response?
* A: In this type of government, somebody has to decide and make policy about social problems, national issues, protests, and political demands that arise in a society. In a democracy, it is elected leaders subject to recall that do this -- they are responsible to the people for their actions, and lose power if they step on too many toes, are corrupt or incompetent. In an authoritarian system, the leaders are not so beholden to the people. With such leaders (really, rulers) free to exercise their power over the people, what then will happen to human rights? Well, we have a very long history of authoritarian systems of all kinds against which to answer this question. And the answer is uniformly simple: people lose their freedom.
wedge Q: The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy. The Constitution does not even mention “democracy,” while Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution, "guarantees to every state in the union," a republican form of government. Yet, you keep calling the United States a democracy. Why?
* A: This was a distinction made in the 16th and 17th centuries. Democracy meant then direct voting on issues by the people. Political philosophers then distinguished this from a republic (a government without a monarch), or representational democracy. In the 20th century, this distinction collapsed, since direct democracy (pure democracy) was not feasible and really did not exist anywhere. Now the term democracy stands for a republic or parliamentary political system.
wedge Q: Doesn’t the Communist Manifesto also call for democracy, as you seem to be doing?
* A: The Manifesto says, “ . . . the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.” Of course, since democracy has become in our era a good word, many ideologies claim to be trying to achieve it. But there should be no doubt what I mean by it, which is a wide franchise, secret ballot, periodic elections for the highest office, competitive political parties, and for liberal democracies, civil and political rights, and liberties.
wedge Q: Are there any examples of anarchies (of whatever kind, anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-capitalist) that have survived the test of time, or have they all collapsed into mob rule?
* A: The simplest and most obvious answer is that the entire world lives in anarchy – which best characterizes the international system. Since the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648, the major European nations, and gradually all nations, have been at the highest level of political architecture, interacting in a global anarchy. In the international relations of nation-states, groups and organizations, and individuals, there has been no law with force, and no government with a monopoly of force, or any global force at all. This is the definition of anarchy. Strange to say, that this has been missed by most everyone who has actually lived under this anarchy for all their lives.
* This anarchic international system has been stable over the centuries, and has not collapsed into mob rule.
* Now, has there been a sub-international anarchy, as in states themselves? Yes, at two levels. One has been at the level of the nation-state, in what are often called failed states. Somalia and the Congo are contemporary examples. One can point to China from the fall of the Manchu Dynasty in 1912 to well after 1928 -- the Warlord Period. Also, the Soviet Union from the Bolshevik coup in 1917 to the final victory of the communists over the White Armies in the later 1920s. None of these have collapsed into mob rule, but have been stabilized in one way or another by quasi-sub-government rule by armed groups or warlords, comparable to what took place in international relations with the formation of nation-states, or by the victory of a national government.
* Below the state, that is, even with the existence of the state government exercising force and authority, there is often an anarchy of gang rule, as there was in the United States in the 30s and late 40s in Chicago and New York Chinese tong and mafia, and as there has been in Japan and China with secret societies through their modern history.
wedge Stability
wedge Q: Could democratic governments under severe economic stress become authoritarian?
* A: Little theoretical/empirical research has been done on this, but we do know enough about democracies historically to suggest the following. Aside from the effects of foreign invasions and occupation (as of France by Germany in 1940), the stability of democracies seems to depend on (1) their age (democracies are most unstable in the first years of their life), (2) on the degree of the people's civil rights and political liberties (the more free, the more stable), and (3) the degree of economic development. Russia today falls down on all three factors, and it is hardly surprising, therefore, that it displays the current instability and authoritarianism. I don’t believe there is a case (aside from war and invasion) of a well-established liberal democracy turning authoritarian or totalitarian. The democratic Germany that Hitler corrupted and overthrown was not liberal in terms of the civil and political rights the people had.
wedge Q: Isn’t democracy a very unstable form of government?
* A: Studies have been done on the stability of democratic governments, and they have been found empirically to be the most stable, compared to communist, fascist, and other dictatorships. Of course, in history, specific father- to- son monarchies have lasted longer, but there are very few of these, while the era of democracies is just beginning. Even then, just considered the durability of the American and British democracies, and those in Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and so forth.
wedge Q: Do you have concerns about pure democracy degenerating into tyranny -- as appears to be happening in the U.S. , partly by means of voters voting to increase government transfers of wealth (and thus increasing government's size and role)?
* A: We have never had a nation-level pure democracy anywhere in recent centuries. But we have had republics like the U.S. and the parliamentary democracies, as in Europe, and in each of these, the people’s votes are restrained and circumscribed in one way or another. This having been said, it is true that the layers of insulation between what people want and government policy and action have been breaking down, and many democratic governments have been becoming overly centralized and powerful. Still, as long as there are civil and political rights and liberties, a secret ballot, true competition for office, regular elections, etc., then even an enlarged, more powerful democracy would still adhere to the democratic peace.
wedge Specific Governments
wedge Q: Frequently you mention Iran as being nondemocratic. How can you say this, since they have elections and a legislature?
* A: They're having a “competitive election” among political parties and nominees selected by the Ayatollah dictators misleads you. This makes Iran no more a democracy than did elections in the Soviet Union. After all, in Iran the political parties allowed to present candidates are limited to those that are theologically acceptable. Second, the country is in reality ruled by the unelected Assembly of (Islamic) Experts, which appoints the leader of the Islamic Revolution for life, who is then the Chief of State. He is presently Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-Khamenei. I should note that in 1988 the previous Chief of State, Ayatollah Khomeini, directly ordered 30,000 people murdered (all hanged from cranes) as "political opponents," some of them children. The murders were done rapidly in number of locations, with forklifts raising the condemned to nooses hung from cranes, about a half hour per batch.
wedge Q: What would it take for you to change your classification of the U.S. as a democracy?
* A: There are many things I might mention, among them the suppression of all but one political party, or the "postponement" of national elections, or the suspension of the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Moreover, the president has the legal authority to declare a national emergency under which he could suspend elections and act as a virtual dictator, but unless there was a catastrophic disaster (natural, as being hit by an asteroid, or man made -- as being hit by nuclear weapons), he would only provoke a revolution and guerrilla war. Also, keep in mind that elections per se do not make a democracy. The Soviet Union, after all, had regular elections. Truly competitive elections with secret ballot and a franchise extended to all the classes is required.
wedge Q: Could you enlighten me as to whether there exists, or ever existed any multi-party democracy in the Arab and, or Islamic world?
* A: I divide democracies into two types. One is the electoral democracy, where there are multiparty elections, but civil and political rights are limited. Examples are Russia, Ukraine, Colombia, and Brazil. Then there are the more prevalent liberal democracies in which civil and political rights exist and are protected, such as in the U.S. , Australia, Great Britain, Belgium, Japan, etc.
* There is (or have been) a number of democracies among Islamic countries (50% or more Moslem), including Albania (1991-), Algeria (1995-2000), Bangladesh (1981, 1991-), Burkina Faso (1978-1979), Chad (1960-1961), Gambia (1965-), Guinea (1995-1999), Indonesia (1955-1958, 1999), Lebanon (1946-1989), Malaysia (1959-), Niger (1993-), Nigeria (1960-1965, 1979-1982, 1999-), Pakistan (1973-1976, 1988-1996), Senegal (1993-), Sierra Leone (1962-1996), Somalia (1960-1968), Sudan (1968), Syria (1954-1957), and Turkey (1950-). All were electoral democracies, except for (classification beginning in 1972) Bangladesh (1991-1993), Burkina Faso (1978-1980), Gambia (1972-1981, 1989-1994), Lebanon (1972-1975), Malaysia (1972-1974), Nigeria (1979-1984), and Turkey (1974-1980). While democracy, even liberal democracy, has been tried in a number of Moslem, and some Arab countries, as one can see, it is generally unstable and has only lasted for a few years.
wedge Nondemocracies
wedge Q: The amount of political arbitrariness (unfreedom) a population puts up with from its government is directly proportional to its threat perception. If you were to put the American populace between Europe, the Arab Crescent and China; give the Russians borders of Atlantic, Pacific, Mexico and Canada, wouldn’t your work then be praising Russian "freedoms.”
* A: You are saying that power at the center is a function of the perceived foreign threat. There is some historical truth to this and helps explain the growth of centralized power in democratic states over the past century. However, this does not explain the most notable cases of totalitarianism, such as China, Nazi Germany, post-World War II Eastern Europe, Militarist Japan; or even authoritarianism as in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. It is not foreign threats that ultimately cause dictatorships, but the existence of dictatorships, which often invent and exploit such threats as a way of keeping control over the people they rule.
wedge Q: What makes your concept of libertarianism any different than the concept of democracy and freedom that thinkers such as Montesquieu, Rousseau, Jefferson and others have already proclaimed?
* A: I do not accept Montesquieu's belief in slavery or the subordination of women. Like him, I do accept that there are certain natural laws, one of which for me is the right to freedom. Like him, I believe that the power of government should be checked and balanced, and that democracy is the best form of government.
* I disagree with Rousseau's attacks on private property (he is one of forebears of socialism, which is antithetical to libertarianism), and his belief in a Common Will of the people that government must follow, despite the majority will, and which justifies government dictating to the majority. It's understandable that he was the godfather of the bloody dictatorship following the French Revolution. No matter how misconceived in detail, however, I agree with his emphasis on his two principles that government and morality must go together, and that government is meant to preserve freedom.
* I agree with Jefferson's powerful advocacy of liberty above tyranny, and his natural rights theory of freedom. He was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence, which proclaimed that all men are equal in rights, regardless of birth, wealth, or status, and that government is the servant, not the master, of human beings. I resonate to that.
wedge Q: Do you believe that theocracies are a positive or negative way of ruling a population? Why?
* A: Negative. They allow little freedom and human rights, and retard human and economic development. Theocracies today are among the most repressive and backward of all nations.
wedge Q: Do you feel that countries with a secular government generally have a better way of life compared to countries ruled by religion?
* A: Historically, secular governments have also been very repressive and murderous. All communist and fascist governments (Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc) have been secular, and also murderous. The worst of all such governments have been atheistic and communist, and murdered overall around 110,000,000 people in the 20th Century.
wedge Q: What do you see as the trends worldwide - toward greater or less democracy?
* A: Greater democracy. See my Democratic Peace Clock at: www.hawaii.edu—DP.CLOCK.HTM.

wedge ON WAR
* Q: Isn’t your 15,000,000 killed in World War II way off? According to some sources, such as the National Institute on War Documentation (NIOD, Netherlands), all of World War II showed a sum of about 50,000,000 people killed in all theaters. The Russians alone claimed about 20,000,000.
wedge Q: The figure you give for war deaths during the twentieth century -- 35,000,000 -- is inaccurate and detracts from your credibility. How can you justify this?
* A: You are confused on this, as are your sources, by the way war dead are often counted. Take World War II for example. The most authoritative sources, widely relied in the field of war studies, are the statistical books of J. David Singer (search under COW Project). His figure for World War II war dead is 15,000,000. Now, you may think he is in error, since that often given for the U.S.S.R. alone is about 20,000,000, and 50,000,000 to 60,000,000 is the total for the war often cited. What has caused these massive disparities is the confusion between those killed in combat and its crossfire, and those murdered by governments during the war (democide). Aside from battle or military engagements, during the war the Nazis murdered around 20,000,000 civilians and prisoners of war, the Japanese 5,890,000, the Chinese Nationalists 5,907,000, the Chinese communists 250,000, the Nazi satellite Croatians 655,000, the Tito Partisans 600,000, and Stalin 13,053,000 (above the 20,000,000 war-dead and democide by the Nazis of Soviet Jews and Slavs). I also should mention the indiscriminate democidal bombing of civilians by the Allies that murdered hundreds of thousands, and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Most of these dead are usually included among the war-dead. But those killed in battle versus in democide form distinct conceptual and theoretical categories and should not be confused. That they have been consistently confounded helps raise the toll during World War II to some 60,000,000 people, way above the estimated 15,000,000 killed in battle and military action. And that the almost universally accepted count of genocide during this period also is no more than "6,000,000" Jews, around 13 percent of the total wartime democide, has further muddled research and thought.
* Overall, both World War I and World War II had about 24,000,000 (combat) war dead. This leaves still many, and smaller, wars to go to reach my approximate 35,000,000. I did a through search of the estimates of war dead for each nation, 1900-1987, and you can find them in my books Lethal Politics for the U.S.S.R., China's Bloody Century, Democide for Nazi Germany, and for all others, Statistics of Democide. For their location on my website, see my list of documents at www.hawaii.edu—LIST.HTM
wedge Q: How are the Iraqi and Afghani wars related?
* A: They are engagements in World War IV, which is a war in response to the war on us by terrorists and the thug-states that support them. These engagements should be understood as connected in the same way as our Invasion of Italy and then France in World War II.
wedge Q: Aren’t we engaged in the Middle East in a struggle between our Western values and those wanting to maintain Islamic culture and traditions?
* A: No, the struggle is between democratic freedom and the status quo of dictatorships, some with much blood on their hands. Their people should be free to decide how they want to be ruled.
wedge Q: Can war bring peace?
* A: Yes, if as a result democracies are created where few or none existed before. For example, consider Europe, which up until World War II was the cauldron of war. As a result of defeating fascism and creating democracies in Europe, it is now a unified and peaceful region. Similarly with Japan. As a result of its defeat in World War II and the creation of Japanese democracy, Japan is no longer a threat to its neighbors, and as far as Japan is concerned, World War II created peace. I hope you understand that this is not an argument for going to war. It is only an argument against the view that all wars are disastrous and no good ever comes out of them. With this view, no nation would ever defend itself against aggressors and the world would be made safe for tyrants to do with what they want.
wedge Q: Is war ever justified, in your opinion, or not?
* A: My research career began many years ago with a major in international relations so that I could study and do something about war. I was a pacifist, but as my studies deepened, I saw the justification for the Catholic doctrine of a Just War. So, I came to accept that some wars are justified if the evil allowed by not going to war exceeds that of war itself. Thus, for me, for example, World War II was justified. Of course, such a war has to follow certain rules, such as proportionality and noncombatant immunity.
wedge Q: Is the war in Iraq a just war?
* A: Yes. Consider the evil that was done to his own people by Saddam Hussein, the bloody and absolute dictator of Iraq, before he was defeated by the United States. He was an undoubted sponsor of terrorism (e.g., he gave $10,000 to $25,000 to each family of a genocide bomber). He would have posed an enormous danger to the democracies was he to achieve a nuclear capability. Just to put this in terms of corpses, which is only one gauge, the number of people he would have murdered and tortured since he was defeated would far exceed the number killed in the war. For example, recently a mass grave of 400 women and children was uncovered, all shot in the back of the head.

wedge THE DEMOCRATIC PEACE
wedge No War Between Democracies
wedge Q: How would you classify the arguments against or questions about the democratic peace (DP)?
* A: They fall into four groups. First, and the largest number of adherents, are those who argue from historical examples that allegedly disprove DP. Favorites are the Civil War, Hitler being democratically elected, and World War II, the various French-British crises, democratic Finland being allied with Germany in World War II, and certain democratic American Indian tribes on which the U.S. made war. Also, there is the finger pointing at all the wars that the U.S. and U.K. fought.
* The second group is those who, like the last example above, misunderstand what DP is, and thus use examples that are at different levels of analysis or conceptual design.
* The third group argue from balance of power or power superiority theories, a la Hans Morgenthau, and assert that DP is Wilsonian idealism, i.e., unrealistic and wishful thinking.
* Finally, there is the group of those who question the methodology, with one of the favorites being "correlation does not mean causation," as though all of us using quantitative methods on DP never even took statistics 101. I find these people usually don't know what they are talking about (although sometimes wrapped in the usual quantitative jargon), or like the above quote, assume we're all naive.
wedge Q: Are you saying that democracies do not engage in aggression against their neighbors or intentionally disturb the peace of the world?
* A: No. Democracies do commit aggression against their neighbors and others, such as against the U.S. against Panama and Grenada, and in the Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War, India versus Pakistan (1971), Yom-Kippur War, and the Suez War. And democracies have intentionally disturbed the peace of the world, e.g., Suez. Such misunderstanding weakens the truly well founded claim about a democratic peace that democracies have much less severe foreign violence than other political systems, and fight not at all against each other.
wedge Q: If all you say about democratic freedom as a solution to war and democide is true, aren’t you afraid of turning democracy into a secular religion that will become intolerant of other views? Look what happened to Marxism.
* A: I understand this and the danger is real. However, rather than making democracy a matter of faith and gut belief, it can be made a moral and utilitarian choice. That is, democracy is consistent with the core of human rights -- freedom -- that is now enshrined in international law and international conventions, is an engine of human welfare and development, and is a solution to war, democide, and famine. I wrote a book, Saving Lives . . . on this, which is on my website at: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/WF.COVER.HTM
* Yes, look at what happened to Marxism, especially as practiced in the Soviet Union and Mao’s China. Yes, the Soviet Union and PRC did turn it into a secular religion. But, a true democracy acts in a democratic manner to decide value issues and conflicts, and by votes of the people's representatives. This always involves some people having values they don't agree with being imposed on them. Such as polygamy being made illegal, or drugs, or gambling, etc. But, in a democracy people can speak out, and fight against this to overthrow the law or win the next election. And, this can only be done in a democracy. In nondemocracies, the value whims of a small elite or one thug is applied to all, and the people better not protest.
wedge Q: You explain the democratic peace as due to representative government decision makers being restrained from making war by the public will. Does that mean that the U.S. is not a democracy, since it hasn’t been restrained from making war on Afghanistan and Iraq?
* A: No, the U.S. is a democracy, and in a variety of historical cases it has been restrained from foreign violence by public opinion. But, this explanation is incomplete, since democratic publics also have been a force for war. So, because of this, one has to dig deeper for an explanation of the democratic peace, which I do in terms of cross-pressures, a democratic culture, the restraint of a belief in liberalism, and the common spontaneous society of democracies.
* In any case, the U.S. is only one of 121 democracies today, and thus cannot be treated as a paradigm case unless I make an absolute statement, like "democracies do not make war on each other." Then, even one example negates it.
* To the statement that on the average democracy has the least foreign violence, think not only of the U.S., but also of Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Denmark, New Zealand, Japan, etc.
wedge Q: Do you think your findings on the democratic peace could help explain why so many indigenous groups who live without intertribal warfare (there are some who are warlike, but many who are not) are so often also the groups that are organized in relatively democratic fashion?
* A: Yes. Research on this has been done among indigenous tribes, and this is the finding.
* Q: You make much of liberal democracy and peace. How do you define it?
wedge Q: Are not your findings a matter of definition?
* A: I do provide an explicit definition in Chapter 3 of my Saving Lives . . . at: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/WF.CHAP3.HTM. But not everyone is happy with this. The question of definition can be carried too far, however, and risks a kind of definitionalism that can stand in the way of theory and empirical research. First, there is certainly a core group of nations that one generally would be considered perverse for calling nondemocratic. For example, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc. One does not need to focus on precise definition. Point and clicking is sufficient. Perhaps this undoubted set of democracies would comprise 20 or 30 nations. Now, while democratic none of them have made war on each other. Now, extend this list by increments. Add say the United States, Greece, France, and others for which a small minority would say that their being liberal democracies is questioned. Has the any member of this enlarged group made war on each other?. No. Now add to this list those for which there is a larger group of scholars who would say they are nondemocratic, such as Japan, Israel, and India. Still no wars between them. And so on. Obviously, we would eventually add supposed democracies that have engaged in war, such as Great Britain and the war of 1812 and Boar War, or Kaiser German in World War I. But the point is that we would still have a large, undoubted list of core democracies that have not made war on each other and that number of democracies would be of such a size that the lack of war between these core democracies would be significant.
* Now, consider this from the opposite side. Undoubted nondemocracies, such as the PRC, U.S.S.R., Nazi Germany, militarist Japan, Nationalist China, Vietnam, Khmer Rouge Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, and so on, have made war on each other. In other words, at the poles of democracy and non-democracy the empirical proposition that democracies don't make war on each other and that non-democracies will make war on each finds its clearest manifestation.
* The question is then what characteristics do the core democracies have that separate them from near democracies that they will fight. I believe the answer to this is the degree to which people are empowered through competitive and open elections and have equal rights under law. The distinction is between rule by an elite (even if that elite have democratic elections and equal rights among themselves, as in South Africa of a decade ago) or by a greater majority of the people.
* There is still another way of looking at this. If you push political scientists for a definition of liberal democracy, most will agree on several essentials, but they will also differ in detail and emphasis. It is important to note, then, that even though those who have done research on the relationship between democracy and violence, including war, have defined liberal democracy in different ways at the margins, almost all have agreed in their empirical findings that democracies do not (or rarely) make war on each other.
* Given these empirical results and our understanding of democracy, I think we are now well beyond considering this a matter of definition. Rather the more relevant questions are (1) how far can we push the findings/theory until it breaks down (i.e., where are the margins for the current world system and historically) and (2) what are the implications for foreign policy.
wedge Possible Exceptions
wedge U.S. Wars, Foreign Inventions
wedge Q: Democratic countries go to war. How can you deny that in the face of the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?
* A: Of course democracies have gone to war. No reader of history or contemporary events can deny that. But, not against each other, and overall their foreign violence is much less severe than that of nondemocracies.
wedge Q: You say that, “Free, democratic nations do not make war on each other and, overall, have the least foreign violence." But, the United States has engaged in an enormous amount of foreign violence over the last 40 years. It is currently occupying Iraq, a country that never attacked us. Does this mean that the U.S. is not truly democratic?
* No. I don't say that democracies have no foreign violence. They do, but on the average much less than any other type of government. The U.S. is but one of 121 democracies today, few of which have been engaged in foreign violence in the last decade or so. Even when engaged in foreign violence, it is generally less severe than that of other nondemocratic governments. Consider the wars by the U.S. (and Coalition members) in Afghanistan and Iraq. The death toll overall is probably less than 70,000. When Iraq went to war against Iran the toll was 1,000,000; when It was the Soviet Union against the Afghans, it was around another 1,000,000 people murdered.
wedge Q: During the Cold War, did not the U.S. intervene in many countries, some democracies such as Chile, Guatemala, and El Salvador, support death squads murdering rebels, and help behind the scenes mass murder, such as in Indonesia?
* A: Even if true, none of the events you mention was a war. No collection or list of international wars would include them. They are therefore irrelevant to the proposition that democracies do not make war on each other, and cannot be used as evidence to disprove it. Now, dealing with the events themselves, in each case there appeared to be a communist revolution/overthrow in the making. They should be looked at as part of the Cold War and the American attempt to contain communist expansionism, particularly in Central and South America.
* Q: wouldn't the U.S. intervention against the democratically elected Allende count as a war between two democracies?
wedge Q: The Jacobo Arbenz democratic government in Guatemala was overthrown in 1954 on the directives of the United States Fruit Company and with financial and military support from the U.S. and the CIA. Also, General Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende’s democratic government in Chile with the support of the CIA. How should you respond to these anti-democratic peace cases?
* A: No one who has studied the question of Chile and other possible interventions in Central and South America, such as Guatemala, and looked for exceptions to the rule that democracies do not make war on each other has categorized any of them as a war. Also, your assumption is incorrect. The U.S. did not intervene against Allende. The coup against him was an internally generated matter. The U.S. did favor it, however. You should keep in mind that Allende was a communist, aided by Castro and the Soviet Union, was attempting to convert Chile to a dictatorship, like that of his model, Castro. Allende had destroyed virtually all his pubic support, including the unions, business, the church, and, of course, the military.
* At another level of analysis, during the Cold War the CIA was an authoritarian enclave operating secretly within a democratic system. It was not subject to the democratic forces that exist in an open competitive democratic system to moderate and bleed off violence. For this reason the CIA acted in a manner more typical of authoritarian systems than democratic ones. In the context of the Cold War this may have been desirable, but in any case, the CIA has been brought under much more democratic control since these events in the 50s and 60s.
wedge Q: Isn’t the Civil War, America's bloodiest war, fought between a democratic north and democratic south, a contra-example of democracies making war on each other?
* A: No. This was a civil war, not an international one. The South was not a sovereign democracy at that time. For one, it was not recognized by any major Power, which means that it was not recognized as an independent state. But aside from this, the franchise was limited to free males (which constituted about 35 to 40 percent of all males in the Confederacy), President Jefferson Davis was not elected, but appointed by representatives themselves selected by the Confederate states. There was an election in 1861, but it was not competitive.
* Q: What about the War of 1812 between Britain and the U.S.?
wedge Q: As a point of curiosity, how would one categorize the War of 1812 between the United States and Great Britain? It would seem to me that a good deal of the criteria used to define democracies in the historical periods would describe Britain in the early part of the century, as it would the United States.
* A: At the time of the War of 1812, Great Britain was not a democracy, regardless of the existence of a parliamentary government. Voting was not secret, the franchise was highly restricted to a small minority, many new cities (such as Birmingham and Manchester) had no representation in the House of Commons while many small villages might send two or three members, and in any case, only less than one-third of the Commons was properly elected. The greater majority of seats were appointed or selected (such as by guilds), or bought or rented. Moreover, the House of Lords, an appointed body, had considerable power and could veto any general legislation the Commons passed. Democracy did not come to Great Britain until the franchise was extended to the middle class by the Reform Act of 1832, to industrial workers by the Reform act of 1867, and to agricultural laborers by the Reform Act of 1884.
* Q: What about the Cherokee Nation versus the U.S.?
wedge Q: As for the U.S. having "never made war on another democracy," what about the American invasion of the Iroquois tribal nation, with an established a government, and the Cherokee tribal nation?
* A: Three books, Spencer R. Weart, Never At War (I have his Chapter 1 to his book on my web site http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/WEART.CHAP.HTM); James Lee Ray, Democracy And International Conflict; and Bruce Russett, Grasping The Democratic Peace; among others, support the proposition that democracies don't make war on each other, and have looked at many possible exceptions (negative cases), including that of the Cherokees. They find that these possible negatives to the proposition are not such.
wedge Q: The North American Indian nations considered themselves true nations. Their governments were closer to true democracies than anything the U.S. has ever experienced. However, war between the U.S. and these nations took place. How can you say, “No War between democracies?”
* A: I limit what is war to the international system and that fought between sovereign states that mutually recognize each other as a sovereign. No sovereign states with democratic political systems have ever fought each other. Moreover, there has been virtually no military action between them. With regard to internal (domestic) wars, such as revolutions, civil wars, rebellions, etc., democracies have such, but among all political systems, democracies have the least such violence.
* Now, while Indian tribes were truly independent, they were not part of an international legal system that recognized that independence, and, in fact, were seen as tribes of savages. This was the major reason for their treatment by Britain, France, Spain, and first the American colonists, and then the sovereign United States. There is also a major issue as to whether the term democracy would apply to their internal governance. Perhaps the closest to this was the Cherokee nation of Georgia, which did have elections. However, their democracy broke down over the issue of their accepting the demands to leave Georgia, when a faction seized control and then harassed, beat up, and in some cases murdered, those among them who wished to accept the conditions for their removal.
* In any case, the question is no longer relevant to the issue of war today and in the future, since colonialism has virtually ended and the whole world is now divided into nation states. What is clear is that democracy within the international system provides a solution to the death and destruction of international and domestic war, and genocide and mass murder.
wedge Germany, World War I, and Hitler
wedge Q: Wasn’t Germany democratic? They did elect Hitler. Yet, as a democracy it made war on other democracies and murdered millions of people.
* A: Germany was not a democracy at the time it carried out its genocide and mass murder, and aggression. Nor was Hitler elected. Before then, he turned Germany into a dictatorship. He lost badly the two national elections in which he ran. He was appointed. In the 1932 presidential election, Hindenburg got over 18,700,000 votes to Hitler’s 11,300,000, but Hindenburg missed having an absolute majority of the votes as required by law. In a second election held a month later, Hindenburg then got over 19,400,000 votes to Hitler’s 13,400.000. With much behind the scenes maneuvering, especially by Franz von Papen who had just resigned as chancellor, Hitler was appointed the chancellor as head of a coalition in which the Nazis held only 3 of 11 seats. However, Hitler got the coalition to agree to new elections to the Reichstag. During this election campaign the Nazis used violence and threats to discourage voting for opposition candidates, and probably rigged the burning down of the Reichstag building, alleging it was part of a communist plot. Still, the elections did not give the Nazis a majority in the Reichstag. But with a voting coalition involving the Nationalists, the Nazis were able to get a bare majority of the votes. This enabled Hitler to have the Reichstag pass his enabling act, which gave him the power to rule by decree. The rest is bloody history.
* Q: Since during World War I, Wilhelmine Germany was a constitutional monarchies with a freely elected multi-party parliament, and therefore arguably a democracy, isn’t this an exception to democracies not making war on each other?
wedge Q: To the argument that democracies never make war on one another, I see one big exception, World War I. Were not both France and Germany democracies in 1914?
* A: No. At the time of World War I Germany was not a full democracy. The Kaiser still had much power. He had control over the army, appointed and could dismiss the chancellor, and played a key role in foreign affairs. In effect, therefore, in foreign and military affairs, the German legislature had little control, and this is the key dimension for maintaining the democratic peace.
wedge Other
wedge Q: Wasn’t Egypt a democracy during its wars with democratic Israel?
* A: Egypt was not a democracy during these wars. It had and still has an authoritarian government.
wedge Q: But your statistics are for the Cold War period. Was not the lack of war between democracies really due to the threat of the Soviet Union?
* A: Regarding the 1946-1986 test, it may be true that the Cold War accounted for the particular lack of war between democracies, but what about other periods? I did several other tests for much longer periods, including 1816-1974, and found the same positive results. Also, ignore the statistics and consider Europe, the historical cauldron of war, and what has happened since the end of the Cold War. Unity has continued to grow, rather then hostility. And, incredibly, those old enemies, France and Germany, have even considered forming a common army. Moreover, once the former enemies became democratic, they have tried into a larger economic and political Europe.
wedge Q: Isn’t the problem that when people push for a definition of democracy, they often want, implicitly, their definition; and if you give anything but their definition the retort is that you are reading out by definition cases that go against the democratic peace?
* A: Yes, if I had my way I would wave a wand and extirpate from political science all concepts that have political (as in social justice) connotations. I would rename the idea of justice "alpha," freedom "beta," and democracy "xocracy." If I then argued that xocracies (that is political systems with certain characteristics) do not make war on each other and here is the data, the empirical results, and the theory, there would be much less of a problem with people accepting and understanding this. This would be, of course, because few would have any prior meaning or allegiance to attach to this type of political system.
wedge Other Possible Causes and Conditions
* Q: Your validations are not in fact valid tests. For example, your use of the binomial theorem to test the chance that no democracies have made war on each other is silly. This is because many of the democracies would not make war on each other by virtue of their size, economics, and/or proximity to far more powerful neighbors. They are not in a position to attack anybody, no matter what kind of government they have. Response?
wedge Q: Are your tests of democracy not making war on each other valid when so when so many can’t make war on each other because of their distance, technology, size, and population? Would you really expect that the Bahamas and Croatia, Dominika and Finland, or Mali and the Marshall Islands would make war on each other regardless of their type of government?
* A: Two things. One is that many of us doing research on this question have used multiple regression (linear and polynomial) and analysis of variance to assess the impact (or hold constant) those factors the question mentions, among others. I have, for example, analyzed through these methods the effect of size, economic development, number of borders (many democracies have none or one), religion, culture, geographic location in the world, and so on. None of these factors have any meaningful impact on the finding that democracies do not make war on each other -- the results remain statistically significant, regardless.
wedge Q: So it seems that democratic governments are peaceful amongst them -- but is that because they are democratic?
* A: Yes, according to theory and with regard to the empirical tests of other possible explanations, e.g., distance, common borders, power, culture, religion, technology, education, and so on for dozens of variables. Only democracy explains this greater peacefulness.
wedge Q: Does state-sponsored Islamic terrorism come exclusively from non-democratic states?
* A: Yes. Consider the clearest sponsors: Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya, Sudan, and North Korea.
wedge Q: Besides democracy, which you emphasize, are there any other important conditions for fostering peace?
* A: Two countries being democracies is a sufficient, but not a necessary condition for peace. Peace can also obtain for other reasons, but then we get into probabilities. Given any two countries such that one or both are nondemocracies, then the likelihood of war between them is increased by how totalitarian their governments are, whether they share a common border, the imbalance of power between them, their historic grievances, and whether one is allied with the enemy of the other.
wedge Q: Is religious conflict the greatest source of wars?
* A: Religion was a major cause of war was in Europe and the Islamic Empire during the Middle Ages. But even then, wars were being fought elsewhere in the world for other reasons, such as in Asia. In recent centuries, religion has been simply one minor cause among others for some minor wars. Major causes of major wars have been conflict over territory, ethnic grievances, honor, greed, and power. There was no religious component to World Wars I and II, nor the Korean and Vietnam Wars. However, the current war on terror has a fundamentalist Islamic aspect to it, but it is not one religion pitted against another, but fundamentalist Islam against the freedom and values of democratic countries.
wedge Foreign Violence
wedge Q: You say that democracies have the least severe foreign violence. What do you mean by “severe”?
* A: Among those doing research on the democratic peace, the number of wars a nation fought usually measures its foreign violence. This is misleading, since wars vary so much in their intensity and scope. By theory, to me, the democratic inhibition to go to war depends on its expected intensity, and I have consistently measured this by the number killed in war: the more that a war will cost in lives, the more likely a democracy will avoid it.
wedge Q: Can you compare pre-World War I Germany with the United States under Bill Clinton and George Bush? In both cases, a single person has committed the government and nation to war.
* A: At the start of World War I Germany was not a full democracy, as previously noted. As to the United States, Bush committed the U.S. to war with the express approval of Congress. Clinton had done so with implicit approval. Unlike pre-World War I Germany, the U.S. legislature controls the budget and can end a war or prevent it by refusing to allocate the necessary funds. And this has been done. In 1971-73, for example, Congress increasingly restricted funds for the Vietnam War, eventually cutting off all funds. The reason President Nixon pulled out when he did, in spite of the agreement with South Vietnam that we would defend her to the end (this was made in order to get South Vietnam to go along with the Paris Accords signed by the North), Congress refused to give Nixon the necessary funds, and thus South Vietnam was left alone to meet the last and victorious offensive from the North.

wedge DEMOCRACY AND INTERNAL VIOLENCE
wedge Q: When plotting the degree to which a nation is democratic (x-axis) against its internal violence (y-axis), isn’t the resulting curve U-shaped? Don’t democracies have low violence on the average, while authoritarianism produces much violence, totalitarianism, with all its controls and suppression of dissent, has much less violence?
* A: If one focuses just on violence, without considering in addition genocide and mass murder, there is generally a U-shaped distribution. With the addition of genocide and mass murder, the plot of the relationship of democratic freedom to violence is exponential -- increasing power has a multiplying effect on violence. The least violence occurs at the democratic end of a power scale, and the greatest, by far, occurs at the opposite least democratic (totalitarian) end.
wedge Q: Has much research been done on the domestic aspect of the democratic peace, that is that domestically democracies have the least violence?
* A: While there is vigorous research on the idea that democracies don’t make war on each other by students of international relations (IR) and war, there is a substantive iron wall between IR people and those working on comparative politics. Therefore, there is little appreciation that the democratic peace extends to domestic violence and democide. Yet, if one is studying war because of the horror of the deaths involved, then there should be even more incentive to study the domestic aspect of the democratic peace, since many times more people are killed in internal collective violence and democide than in war.
wedge Q: Even within a democracy, there can be a high level of violence -- although not to the degree caused directly by the worst of governments. What comes first to my mind is organized crime. For example, when alcohol was prohibited a large illegal industry grew to meet the demand. Similar industries arose to meet the demand for prostitutes or gambling. These industries have been characterized by violence. Of course, there are many other kinds of violence within a nation. Has your approach of research and analysis been used to identify what may cause overall violence within a nation to decrease?
* A: Yes. The more individual freedom in a nation, the less its domestic violence. The correlation is very strong here ( and the theory for understanding why this should be so is in Part II of my Power Kills). But this refers to collective violence. Crime is another story and very little comparative work on it has been done -- I've done none.
wedge Q: Do you think that the existence of religious minorities in a country increases the potential for future violence?
* A: It does, and in this way. If a country is liberally democratic (human rights are respected), then ethnic divisions do not generally lead to violence. If a country is nondemocratic, such divisions do. there is a scale here. The more nondemocratic a regime, the more likely that ethnic divisions will lead to violence.

wedge DEMOCIDE
wedge Definition and Use
wedge Q: What about people dying because of government neglect? Isn’t this democide?
* A: I do not restrict democide to just directly killing people, as by shooting them. I use the civil definition of murder, where someone can be guilty of murder if they are responsible in a reckless and wanton way for the loss of life, as in incarcerating people in camps where the may soon die of malnutrition, unattended disease, and forced labor, or deporting them into wastelands where they may die rapidly from exposure and disease.
wedge Q: When you did your research, how could you be certain that a killing was democide and not genocide?
* A: One can never be certain of all the judgments that need to be made on one democide/genocide after another. What I tried to do was to be explicit as possible about definitions and the differences between democide and genocide. On democide versus genocide, see: www.hawaii.edu—GENOCIDE.HTM
wedge Q: Why don't you make the murder/manslaughter distinction?
* A: Murder involves the intention to kill, or the killing of a person as though it was intended, as by imprisoning them under lethal conditions. Manslaughter is being responsible for someone’s death due to negligence, as deaths due to drunk driving, killing a person without malice, or causing a persons death by hitting out of sudden anger. To include manslaughter by government in my data collection, which already took eight years, would have been too much. I hope others, however, will do this. On my definition of democide, see www2.hawaii.edu—DBG.CHAP2.HTM
wedge Q: When did you first use the term “democide”?
* A: My first public use of the term was in Lethal Politics (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM). It was a central concept, e.g., “The Soviets committed democide by . . . and their total democide was . . . .“ From its publication (in 1990) on, whenever I wrote about genocide and mass murder I used the concept.
wedge Q: There exist situations in which mass deaths take place that don't involve intent. The black plague in Europe, the spread of sexually transmitted diseases on the part of sailors in your home Hawaii. The question is how to look at “effect” rather than just intent. Simply because it is incidental or accidental doesn't mean that the effects aren't just as bad.
* A: True. War and democide involve intent as part of their definition. What makes democide much more horrible than the plague, say, is that humans are intentionally murdering humans. Thus, a moral dimension is added, and in large-scale democide, this is sufficient to call it an evil. The plague wasn't evil -- the death toll under communism was, and that is why I focus on it. But note this: even though democide is an evil, with the exception of the Holocaust there is more published on the plague and famines and disease than there is on democide.
wedge Q: You have too many categories to describe peoples’ deaths, such as massacre, democide, terrorism, execution, holocaust, genocide, extermination, politicide, and so on. This can only confuse people. Can’t you provide a simple term for all this?
* A: I do. This is “democide.” Democide is one concept, one term, which covers all the other ways of committing murder, such as massacre and genocide. It is actionable, describable, and empirical. perhaps all the levels and clauses involved in its definition are confusing. but, the attempt of the definition is to make clear to what the term is applicable. This is necessary if one is to collect data, and for others to evaluate what is included and excluded. Without such, the concept is entirely subjective. While this is the way journalists and politicians work, the scientists must be exact if others are to replicate their work. In general, however, simply treat democide as murder by government.
wedge Q: Lets pick up one point of your definition of democide: “imposing of deathly circumstances of life.” Can this also refer to embargoes, which have an influence on the health supply of the people?
* A: Yes, if knowingly deadly, as of the British embargo against Germany after World War I. This was democide, and I so counted it.
wedge Q: Determining what kinds of deaths directly attributable to government murder is a difficult chore. For example, shall we attribute the deaths of all U.S. prisoners to capitalism? Regardless, what do you think are the determining factors for a death to be democide?
* A: This is the central question of all my work on democide. For this reason I devoted a chapter to this in my Death By Government. It’s at: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/DBG.CHAP2.HTM. In brief, for deaths to be democide requires: (1) that the death be intended, or the result of a wanton disregard of a high risk of death (as murder is defined in civil law), as in incarcerating people in a prison environment in which life expectancy is three to six months due to disease, malnutrition, exposure, and overwork; and (2) that this be done by an agent of the government according to its policy, rules, high level orders, or high level acceptance (as in turning the other cheek). Silence, lack of punishment, or apparent lack of concern over such murdered is evidence of high government involvement and thus democide. Executions after a fair and open trial for crimes internationally considered the subject of severe punishment, as for murder, treason, brutal rape, etc., are excluded.
* As to the "deaths of all U.S. prisoners to capitalism," I made a simple rule as expressed in the above -- the deaths must be carried out by someone and be directly connected to government action or inaction -- they must be in line with what we conventionally call murder.
wedge Q: Some people measure chemicals in the hair of Napoleon and come to the conclusion that the British murdered him slowly with arsenic. What would you call this method of killing somebody ?
* A: If in fact the British did poison Napoleon, slowly or not, it was democide – murder by government.
wedge Q: On the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini in 1988, 30,000 "political opponents,” some children, were hanged within a few weeks. The murders were done rapidly in number of locations, with forklifts raising the condemned to nooses hung from cranes, about a half hour per batch. The source is Khomeini's second in command at the time and apparent successor. What do you call this undeniably intentional mass murder by the ruler of Iran?
* A: If we use the legal definition of genocide, which means to try to destroy a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group in whole or in part through killing or other means, it is not genocide. But, it can and should be called democide -- murder by government.
* Note the abysmal public morals regarding this democide. Had the president of a well known corporation contracted with a gang of assassins to murder 100 of his competitors, as confessed by his vice president, this would be sizzling news all over the airways and other media. Every major network would immediately interrupt its programming to bring you this news -- it would surpass in coverage every previous public scandal. It would be a 100 point bold headline in the newspapers. Day after day, every little detail of this monstrous crime would be divulged, included whether in his youth this murderer had thrown spit